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RhanoctJocosa · Jan 07, 2008, 01:21 PM // 13:21

R/E and bring Conjure X.

Wakka · Jan 07, 2008, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Granted, it's less useful against non-casters

Meh if there's nowt else to interupt its always nice to hit the odd attack skill ^^

Washi · Jan 07, 2008, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Homogeneous groups of ele's, 1,2,3 and no meteor showers today and they may all keep their deep freeze and whatnot as well, thank you.

I prefer BHA epidemic in such areas and my mm's minions make sure those ele's forget about casting any spell.

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

but then, with all the burning usually present bringing BA for it is not all that much of an addition.

Not everyone uses SF heroes, IMO they are overrated. I am the only source of burning in my group if I take BA.

Wakka · Jan 07, 2008, 02:05 PM // 14:05

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I prefer BHA epidemic in such areas and my mm's minions make sure those ele's forget about casting any spell.

Quite fun in an area with no exploitable corpses though ^^

EDIT: Didnt make that too clear, what I meant to say was people rely too heavily on thier minions

Washi · Jan 07, 2008, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by Wakka

Quite fun in an area with no exploitable corpses though ^^

There is so many of those areas in this game that... I can't really remember any, even though I finished my vanquishing not so long ago

(just some dungeons in GWEN). BTW Jagged bones ftw when there is a shortage of meat.

Seriously you now try to find area where my build is bad. LOL ofcourse it isnt great everywhere, I don't use it against destroyers for example, as I said you need to adjust. But still I find more use for it than Magebane.

If you think you do more with Magebane, stick with it. I just find it too much for pve, thats it. This argument doesn't lead anywhere, you have your view, I have mine

Wakka · Jan 07, 2008, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Seriously you now try to find area where my build is bad.

Anywhere where the majority is melee/ranged physical attacks

I suppose the degen will still work here but I dont have an hour to stand around and wait for things to die ^^

I just like Magebane as I feel that im more in control of what im actually interrupting. BHA can be a little random at times and its easy enough to miss a quick Dismiss Condition or something. At least with Magebane if I miss a key skill I know its my fault and isnt down to luck.

Washi · Jan 07, 2008, 02:25 PM // 14:25

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Originally Posted by Wakka

Anywhere where the majority is melee/ranged physical attacks

I suppose the degen will still work here but I dont have an hour to stand around and wait for things to die ^^

I'm not soloing you know? ...

Wakka · Jan 07, 2008, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Yes I do *shrugs*

Washi · Jan 07, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

If you say I deal not much damage, how much do you deal with magebane?

It's not my job to deal massive damage but I'm helping to kill things faster and pressure the monks (and -10 degen on few mobs is noticable imo), and I can also interrupt alot (unless they block, which doesnt really happen much in pve, since I know what mobs use aegis etc and make sure they dont)

You interrupt witch helps in defence but you dont add much to offence (I dunno really cause you didn't say what other skills you use).

I don't really understand what is your point, you try to prove my damage is weak while yours is none, and that you can interrupt mobs that block... which are? Raptors? lol

Lhim · Jan 07, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Lol, what a discussion.

Anyway

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Mesmer secondary can be a lot of fun, it has some nifty skills, like [wiki]Epidemic[/wiki] and [wiki]Frustration[/wiki] or the many, many mantra's.

It's great to interrupt and do some decent damage at the same time; Frustration + Savage Shot/Punishing Shot.
Seems to me that the OP wants to get as much out of his bowattacks. I think mesmer would be the way to go.

Yanman.be · Jan 07, 2008, 02:49 PM // 14:49

You make a ranger. Click a random secondary. Done. Don't use your secondary till you can change it

Wakka · Jan 07, 2008, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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If you say I deal not much damage, how much do you deal with magebane?

You mentioned earlier you normally H/H'ed. So if you have yourself as a condition spreader and then a MM, its shaping up to be a pressure build lol so im gonna guess either sabway or maybe a MB/SH ele and something else. Paragon hero maybe. Either way defo not orientated at taking down one target at a time.

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unless they block, which doesnt really happen much in pve, since I know what mobs use aegis etc and make sure they dont

As for this is there other block skills beside Aegis lol and like I said earlier enemies do block, well in EotN anyways so maybe you'd be alright out of dungeons I suppose.

Your wrong, its could potentially be more offensive than most people think. Dont forget that preventation not only stops hurtful skills but also stops the enemy for casting skills that will benefit the team. This includes heal's, prot's, spirits, Wards, Shouts, Chants etc etc. While I would rather take down one enemy at a time in order of what I think is importance you would rather go for a party wide degen sort of thing, which I suppose is up to your style of play.

Im confused though as a lot more than just Raptors block lol

Wakka · Jan 07, 2008, 03:15 PM // 15:15

I suppose I should post something on-topic and worth while now lol

If you are looking to get the best out of your bow attacks like dean said ^^ then there are a few options

Ritualist

Back to the ritualist, consider using skills such as [skill=text]Brutal Weapon[/skill], [skill=text]Nightmare Weapon[/skill] or [skill=text]Splinter Weapon[/skill] to increase the damage output of your arrows. [skill=text]Warmonger's Weapon[/skill] can also be useful when looking to interrupt but your probably better off with Choking Gas to be honest.

Like I stated before Pure Was Mi Ling is a great utility skill that can be put on any midliner however Rangers may find it a touch too energy intensive.

Necromancer

Apart from Touchers, secondary Necro's have some other uses. My favourite being Enchantment Removal. Skills such as [skill=text]Gaze of Contempt[/skill] and [skill=text]Rend Enchantment[/skill]. Very good for area's with mucho enchantments.

You could also consider bringing [skill=text]Barbs[/skill] or [skill=text]Mark of Pain[/skill] to increase the damge done by your bow although both of these skills dont really fit too well onto a Ranger so you might consider putting them on a Necro hero?

Paragon

Not really the best profession for a primary Ranger but if your looking to increase your bow's damage output, [skill=text]Anthem of Envy[/skill] could really help. You could Anthem of Weariness to spread around Weakness. Maybe even consider using Barrage to make this mob-wide.

Monk

Although many people swear by it, I dont think that [skill=text]Mending Touch[/skill] is all that effective in PvE. It was originally used for a Ranger ganker and people have basically nicked it from GvG and tried to shove the build into PvE lol basically its not really needed. Most of the time you wont have many conditions on you if you kite well unless in a very condition heavy area in which case a more Party wide condition removal should be present in the build. Although a lot of people like Monk as a secondary for thier Ranger I dont think its anywhere near the best choice.

Elementalist

Like many people have suggested [skill=text]Conjure Flame[/skill] is one of the more popular options. Combine it with [skill=text]Kindle Arrows[/skill]. If you want to be a bit more experimental try mixing [skill=text]Greater Conflagration[/skill] with [skill=text]Mark of Rodgort[/skill] which will convert all physical damage to fire damage allowing you to spread a serious amount of burning.

Warrior

I suppose you could try a Thumper with a hammer apposed to a bow. But if you want to be more traditional (and I like to be

) you could just use an IAS like [skill=text]Flurry[/skill] along with [skill=text]Choking Gas[/skill] to deliver AoE interupts at a faster rate.

I'll maybe add the rest later ^^

Washi · Jan 07, 2008, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Wakka

You mentioned earlier you normally H/H'ed. So if you have yourself as a condition spreader and then a MM, its shaping up to be a pressure build lol so im gonna guess either sabway or maybe a MB/SH ele and something else. Paragon hero maybe. Either way defo not orientated at taking down one target at a time.

Most of my pve play is me as a ranger, my friend (warrior, usually Axe aoe or DS) and 6 heroes (modified sabway as you call it, modified since I like to use skills I find more useful so it's MB, curser, 2 resto, domination mes and motivation para). That's most of the time, since I actually like to mess around and adjust to specific areas.

It's build around AOE, but still has enough power to quickly kill important targets (with great help of pve skills like Pain Inverter or Finish Him).

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Originally Posted by Wakka

As for this is there other block skills beside Aegis lol and like I said earlier enemies do block, well in EotN anyways so maybe you'd be alright out of dungeons I suppose. Im confused though as a lot more than just Raptors block lol

I said Aegis ETC meaning that if a monster has powerful blocking skill that can be interrupted I have no problem doin so with d-shot / savage. Sure there are many monsters that use blocking but most of them are melee or rangers witch I don't need to interrupt. The only times when I see magebane shine would be mobs casting SOD or similar... how often that happens?

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Originally Posted by Wakka

Your wrong, its could potentially be more offensive than most people think. Dont forget that preventation not only stops hurtful skills but also stops the enemy for casting skills that will benefit the team. This includes heal's, prot's, spirits, Wards, Shouts, Chants etc etc.

You fail to see that I can succesfuly do both, spread degen and interrupt. I'd say 99% of the time I can interrupt everything I need to (I can doesnt mean I do, I'm not a machine).

To sum it up you use an elite slot just to counter that one in a thousand situation when a mob blocks your interrupt while casting something important, and in my eyes it's a wasted elite.

BTW I don't think its offtopic cause we discuss two diffrent ranger builds and that is what OP asked for.

Wakka · Jan 07, 2008, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Became too much like quote wars. Got into one of those once on these forums, dont really want another so whatever.

Pyro maniac · Jan 07, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

[skill]Practiced Stance[/skill][skill]Choking Gas[/skill][skill]Flurry[/skill]

MasterSasori · Jan 08, 2008, 03:12 PM // 15:12

If you're starting out, Mo secondary is usually the safest choice.

Wouldn't recommend N or Me until you have the right skills (rend, epidemic)

Meneldil · Jan 09, 2008, 12:58 AM // 00:58

guys i said PROPHECIES PROPHECIESSSSS.

Listen guys.

I want a FUN class to play. Not "safe". Fun. Funfunfun.

I've been experimenting... and I've figured this out. I like damage. I do. I like blowing the sh*t outta things with my smokin fiery arrows.

I like interrupt/damage/conditions.

And I want to have fun through prophecies.

and also correct me if i'm wrong because i am new at this but why are we mentioning all the elites? you have to remember i'm wanting it to be fun from prophecies start to end. i don't see any elites anywhere near the beginning..

horseradish · Jan 09, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

You make me laugh.

But to be honest, Rangers are not very good at damage. The most damage one can do is to use [skill]Apply Poison[/skill] with [skill]Burning arrow[/skill], but you don't have access to Nightfall.

If you like "blowing the sh*t outta things" with your smokin fiery arrows, then [skill]Ignite Arrows[/skill] cause of the pretty noises and graphics lol.

TBH, I'd recommend a trap ranger for damage. You have access to four traps with prophecies only, so all you need is a blocking stance or [skill]Mantra of Resolve[/skill].

Sure you don't use a bow, but you DO like to blow things up...so...[skill]Flame Trap[/skill] ftw

MisterB · Jan 09, 2008, 01:52 AM // 01:52

[skill]Quick Shot[/skill][skill]Dual Shot[/skill][skill]Kindle Arrows[/skill][skill]Conjure Flame[/skill] is probably the best sustainable single-target bow damage for Prophecies. If you want to do damage with your bow, I'd recommend R/E. What I really recommend is that you don't use more than one(maybe 2) of your secondary skills, at least until you unlock all secondary professions.

[skill]Dual Shot[/skill] + [skill]Ignite Arrows[/skill] was alot of fun for me to play when I first started out, but I think it will cause scatter now.